Talk:Elyon

Do we need the "`E" in `Elliyoun?

See the discussion on the Talk:Eilat page, amongst others:

`Elliyôun

hi peeps — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.26.179.93 (talk) 02:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The article titled `Elliyôun also needs to be changed as its `E is not in normal use and would only confuse most readers. IZAK 07:34, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Similar problem with `Anat. IZAK 07:40, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Neither of these terms have a "usual" English transliteration, so the problem here is much less accute than it is in articles about modern cities or regions. I do agree though that these transliterations are strange in that there is no way that anyone is ever going to guess them and type "`Elliyôun" into the "go" box. The backticks (`) are indeed accepted transliterations of ayin, though, so I don't know if to suggest to remove it or not. I don't understand the accent-circumflex on the o though. In French, the accent-circumflex suggests that a letter has been lost, and this is not the case here. Nyh 09:34, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Placing these comments (so far) on the `Elliyôun and `Anat pages so that their author can take note... IZAK 09:59, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Minor confusion

This article seems to suggest that Elyon is either another name for Yahweh or another god entirely. It is not very clear on the subject. Could someone maybe clean that up and make any distinction between different usages of the name more clear? Hdgerow (talk) 23:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Mistranslation

Hey to the (five, tops) people reading this article. I just noticed that the translation of Psalms 78:35 might be a bit off.

"And they remembered that God [elōhīm] was their rock, and the high God [ēl elyōn] their redeemer"

Might be better as: "And they remembered the Gods [elōhīm] were their rock, and the high God [ēl elyōn] their redeemer"

I say this due to the use of "elōhīm", sometimes a plural, when "elyōn" was established as "God" seporatly in Psalms, and I believe my translation reads better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.56.254.135 (talk) 14:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Niet, The Translation Was Correct, That Was False, For The Writer, Was Considered. In Its Own, Multi-Lingual. In Bi-Sex-Tant. The Converse, Of What Was Stated, From Peter- As Peter, Not Being Part Of That Reading, As He Was Noted- But He Was As, Well The Scribe, He Was The Most Noted Being, In The Scribes As We All Know, For Being The Eldest, Of, Them At That Time.

For Whence We State, In The Trial's Of Thine "Taithe", Search In Theses, Of The Theo's Of The Quote. I Cant Even Quote It, For Spoken Worth. Meaning Of Trial's, Of Judgement.

For All I Know, Was A Judge's Judgement Was Justified, And Even In It's Wake, Of Burdon's Bane's, Was Reputed, And The Testament Was Resputed, Even Though Writted, Was Re-Worded, For Worth Of Woe. If Who Wrote What, Was Worth The Weight In Word. For Marias Was The Leader, Of That Time's Militia, Was Judas A Judaic Word, Of The Law. John 3:16, Obadas&Macaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.184.13 (talk) 16:11, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Citation needed for Elyon as Pre-Mosaic

Please clarify statement, "However, its use in the Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra, Syria) tablets has proven it to be pre-Mosaic." Is this a reference to the Sefire I Inscription God list from the Sefire steles? Also please list page number which Hertz states this in "The Pentateuch and Haftoras. Deuteronomy"TruthCkr (talk) 16:57, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Needs major write

1. Relationship between the names El, Elyon and "El ELyon".[1][[2][3][4], Yahweh, Maker of Heaven and Earth": A Study in Tradition Criticism by Norman C. Habel, "The Religion of the Patriarchs in Genesis" by John Van Seters

2. El Elyon as Canaanite god and worshipped by Abram.eg[5] [6]and [7] which mentions El Elyon's solar character.

3. Jebusite cult of Elyon.[8]

I'm sure there's more. This article needs to be rewritten to reflect that the scholarly sources think. Doug Weller talk 15:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Reads as if trying to support a specific religious tradition

El = god

Elohim = gods...it is literally the plural...tradition renders it god or angels or whatever fits the monotheistic need

Elyon is the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon...and is NOT the same deity as Yahweh at the time of the Ugaritic texts, ancient Hebrews and prior the the Babylonian exile.

Yahweh is equated with El as the peoples who worshipped Yahweh rose in prominence

Basically, we need this to be historical. It's fine to point out religious tradition, but spell out the history first, then describe the evolution of tradition, etc M3eeks (talk) 04:37, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

User:M3eeks, you're on the right track with some of this. It is likely true that Elohim was (originally) a plural term at some point at some point. But by the time the Bible was written, it was typically treated as a grammatically singular. That's why it's vayomer Elohim and not vayomru Elohim. Rendering "Elohim" with a singular in these cases isn't a matter of "whatever fits the monotheistic need." It's a matter of what makes sense grammatically. Translating vayomer Elohim as "The gods said" or bara Elohim as the gods created would be not just untraditional, but a major grammatical error. Alephb (talk) 12:42, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Begin by getting good sources. the DDD (Dictionary Deities etc), Day, Smith, etc etc. PiCo (talk) 10:16, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hyperion

Elyon = Rhel-ion = Hyperion
Just granpa (talk) 10:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2024

192.190.99.34 (talk) 19:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

This is also spelled as 'Elliyoun'

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 21:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

The article is still inconsistent.

I can't edit it (even though my user account is old) but the article doesn't seem to explain all the things clearly, or at least makes reading unnecessarily difficult. For example, Michael Heiser's comment on the topic would fit perfectly into the previous text. TimTam (talk) 17:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)