Talk:Benjamin

Name

True or false: This page should be moved to Benjamin (Bible), followed by changing "Benjamin" from a re-direct to a dis-ambiguation page for Benjamin (Bible) and a nickname for a $100 bill. 66.245.69.176 22:55, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

False. I think that most people who search Benjamin will be looking for the biblical figure. They can go to disamguation if they actually want the money.

I found this site through Joseph (Biblical) SEARCH and was pleased, yet concerned that Benjamin was there. There is a matter of Times when Benjamin is the child with the coat of many colors and Joseph is the child with the coat of many colors. I would rather not explain further in this avenue. Brother of Sky216.215.40.1 05:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Should I tell Joseph that it is better to go in his brother's steed than it is to go in his Brother's Place? That was one nasty mob with a dagger that sent Benjamin to his death in the pit. I will agree, it was decent of Joseph to choose to do something for his brother. Many years of servitude is what they got. This article helps to support it. Joseph Fathered Benjamin's Children, Benjamin had none before he died. Gnostics (talk) 04:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Total fantasy. This person is an actual imbecile. A "steed" is a horse dick. You mean "in stead" which means a "proxy" but you are probably too ignorant to know what that means. NONE of what you wrote has a single shred of truth. A lot of you are blacks who have recently incorrectly assume they were Benjamin. Benjamin had MANY children, and we know all their names. 2600:6C5D:577F:5614:85:934D:552C:49B3 (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Another idiot. Benjamin's "colors" were all the colors of all the other tribes put together. "Coat of many colors" is also incorrect. It was a "sleeveless coat." 2600:6C5D:577F:5614:85:934D:552C:49B3 (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

True. I came here for the Name and I think it is more appropriate to show the dis-ambiguation page instead of this page. --84.158.108.128 (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

True. There are many many important historical names. This is a common name. MKS (talk) 19:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Famous Benjamins

Would - Benjamin Bratt, American actor - go here?

I think this whole section should be removed as these modern Benjamins have nothing to do with the biblical Benjamin. Also the section duplicates another article: At the end of the Benjamin (disambiguation) page we have "See also: All pages beginning with Benjamin, for persons with the given name Benjamin". That list contains several hundred Benjamins, so why start another list here?? If no one gives a good reason in a few days I propose to delete the section.

A stretch is to say that they got the name from the biblical Benjamin, but I see your point about the list. I thought it was fine four days ago when there were only two names, but now there are Benjamins listed and I have no idea who they are. Padishar 07:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

...and here's another totally ignorant person, most probably intelligence level just above an imbecile, which is called "idiot" and maybe that is a "stretch." The very first Benjamin is the archetype for all people named Benjamins even if they are Muslims, Jews or Christians globally. 2600:6C5D:577F:5614:85:934D:552C:49B3 (talk) 21:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Section headers

This article would benefit from section headers so that the content is presented in more manageable pieces. Right now it's really just a heap of text. Chensiyuan 14:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

~I need to see more pictures of Saint Benjamin. ~HC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.118.82 (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Please, find some that we can use without violating copyright. See WP:IUP. Icy // ♫ 22:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Benjamin was not a "saint" That word saint is a Roman Catholic (pagan) label and belief. There are NO pictures of Benjamin. His many varied highly detailed description(s) is peppered all throughout scripture. 2600:6C5D:577F:5614:85:934D:552C:49B3 (talk) 22:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Picture Problem

The first picture blocks some of the text on the right side, this should be an easy fix. Lnk2128 —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC).

No such problem for me. Icy // ♫ 02:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

"Benjamin" used figuratively

I think it would be reasonable to mention that "Benjamin" is used figuratively to mean the youngest or smallest, due to the Biblical Benjamin being the youngest brother. As a given name, this is quite common, but as an example of a less direct connection, I once saw a set of clothes hampers where the biggest model was called Jumbo and the smallest was called Benjamin. It is even a noun in French, "le benjamin" or "la benjamine", which means "the youngest (boy or girl)". Kjetilho (talk) 13:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Benjamin's Sons' Names

Some of the explanations of meanings do NOT match the translated definitions of the names. For example, "Gera (meaning grain), in reference to Joseph living in a foreign land (Egypt)." Grain and living in a foreign land are not related. Also, "Ard (meaning wanderer/fugitive), in reference to Joseph being like a rose." Aha, it's the missing name that means a wanderer/person living in a foreign land. But what is the unexpected reference to a rose? None of the names seem to mean that. And where is the description of the 'grain' name that refers to Joseph's providing his brothers with grain for their families? Seems like possible vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.35.9.204 (talk) 13:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Ard was Benjamin's son. Period end of story. It is a very uncommon but modern surname of Spanish descendants of old Florida living today. Ards I have known are very tall and wavy haired, another Benjamite trait. The last living Ard I personally know is literally a wanderer and a fugitive. 2600:6C5D:577F:5614:85:934D:552C:49B3 (talk) 22:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Graphic has nothing to do with anything

The graphic File:Benjamin2.JPG has nothing to do with anything. It claims to be a "symbol of the tribe of Benjamin", but that's impossible given there is no such official symbol! The idea that a man born so long ago as to be mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy would have an official symbol is preposterous. The description further states that it was created by some Jewish youth group, i.e. not at all official. User:Soundofmusicals reverted my removal because of the Hebrew on the image. So what? The Hebrew for "Benjamin" is all over the article, this image is not needed at all. To display this image as if it's in any way official makes a mockery of Wikipedia:Logos#Logo_choice. This image must be removed to keep the integrity of the encyclopedia. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 12:22, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Without rushing into an edit war over this nonsense - where exactly is the claim it is "official" - and where in Wikipedia guidelines is there any suggestion that graphics like this need to be "official" anyway? The idea that the graphic is an assault on "the integrity of the encyclopedia" borders on the hysterical, as I'm sure you'll agree on reflection. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 12:46, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

@Soundofmusicals: I would point to several policies: MOS:PERTINENCE states Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative.—I feel that this bar is not met by the image in question; MOS:TEXTASIMAGES helps prove my point that the Hebrew in the image, instead of being a reason to keep it, as actually a reason to remove it; WP:OI may also cover the image in question, since it is essentially fan art; MOS:LEADIMAGE states [images in the lead] should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works, which is why I would not remove, say an image of a famous painting or drawing of Benjamin, but would not want a fan-made "emblem" of him to be used; Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Image_content states The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter and the images I removed do nothing to help in that regard, but indeed just serve to confuse. Perhaps I was a bit hysterical, but the image(s) cannot be allowed to remain. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 04:52, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto:As I hinted - not an article I am concerned about really (in was on my watchlist because of "moves" about and over the article now at Benjamin (name) (I have a grandson called Benjamin in his last undergraduate year) - which is why I didn't, and won't, enter into further dispute over this one - even though I can't personally see why it can't remain - many article have less than optimal graphics that can, and will, remain until something better is found. We all get a little hysterical at times - glad you took my point without going all defensive about it. Anyway, I am resolving this (for me, at any rate) by taking it off my watchlist!! Regards, Soundofmusicals (talk) 05:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

A little postscript: there are a couple a graphics in the body of the article that might very well be "promoted" to the infobox. Do you want to do this, or shall I? Just a little goodbye before I renounce it forever! At least it would (one hopes) write a finis to this whole business. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 05:48, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

B"H If you think that Benjamin had no symbol, you are totally ignorant of scripture. I am a Benjamite and an authority on the subject. The scepter will be returned to Benjamin after The City of Ephraim (where the tabernacle stood and is an actual known place in Israel) (a/k/a "Shiloh") actually returns as Esau is "burned to stubble" which is happening right now as I write. (see Obadiah 1:18. Obadiah was a NON-Hebrew warning his people against challenging Israel, and the modern day Islamists are Esau-ites) Benjamin will "divide the spoils" in the very Last Days, which only a monarch can do. Just as Jacob's blessing stated (a nation and a host of nations), there are MILLIONS of Benjamites worldwide, and their western Viking descendants discovered America 1000 years before Columbus was ever thought of. Ask ANY halachic Hebrew authority, and they must agree--if pressed. I just the other day saw FIVE BROTHERS in the IDF -- and all were left-handed and all very tall. Historically, 23% of Benjamites were left-handed and those who were not were trained to fight either left-handed or right-handed. They were the finest archers and deadly marksmen. These five men I just saw on TV is Israel getting ready for war are descendants of the 600 ancient Benjamites who were allowed to live in Israel and take Levite wives, once he vast majority of Benjamin took off in ships with Phoenician traders in what is modern-day Lebanon... and became founders of most of the Baltic States and Ukraine, which was founded way before Russia, who combined with Mongols and so you see the modern-day barbarism of Russians. Benjamin also peopled Belgium, France and Scotland through Norman "genetic donations" (read that: "rape") 2600:6C5D:577F:5614:85:934D:552C:49B3 (talk) 21:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Son of the right, but not necessarily south?

The current article boldly states that "the name means 'Sons / Son of the South'" (and later, "'Son of the south', with south derived from the word for the right hand side") but there seems to be some debate about this. Specifically, while min/yamin/jamin etc. does seem to be used for both 'right' & 'south' in Arabic, in Hebrew it seems it only means 'right' and the word for 'south' is entirely unrelated. If so - I am no expert in this field - should that not be clarified in the article? Ozaru (talk) 15:52, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Bejamin's son's name

How could these be the so-called meanings of Benjamin's son's names when these 10 boys went to Egypt with everyone - after Joseph was revealed. They must have been born when Benjamin thought Joseph was dead. 2604:3D09:3483:9A00:90C2:4F32:8ACF:3C6F (talk) 08:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

The 10 who "went to Egypt" were Benjamins BROTHERS not his sons. You don't have a clue either imbecile. 2600:6C5D:577F:5614:85:934D:552C:49B3 (talk) 20:34, 23 October 2023 (UTC)