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Recent edits, November 2023

Starting 11 November 2023 four IPs (perhaps the same person) made several edits to the article with explanatory edit summaries, and when questioned, engaged with that editor in edit summaries, on the article talk page, and on that editor's talk page. I myself also made a couple of edits. In all 1053 characters were removed for, in my view, an improvement to the article.

These 1053 characters were returned with the revert summary "Nah it was fine before". I undid that edit, stating my view that the edits made a significant improvement and pointing out that edit summaries had been provided and engagement sought. The same editor reverted again, baldly stating that no significant improvements had been made, and to "take it to the tp".

It is unfortunate the reverting editor did not engage with this pre-existing discussion and summaries in the page history to explain why they feel the prior version of the page is preferable, rather than entreating me to revisit the already stated rationales and summaries. But here we are.

The diff in question is this one here.

Firstly the short description, which should be limited to about 40 characters. "Person displaying products or serving as a visual aid" is a tad long at 53 characters but is probably about as short as it can be for the subject. Is there any good reason for bumping this back up to the previous "Person employed to display, advertise and promote products or to serve as a visual aid" at 86 characters, more than twice the recommended maximum?

The first paragraph states the model's role is "to display commercial products". Nothing is gained and accuracy is lost by making this read "to promote, display or advertise commercial products". Those extra words are someone else's activity in the course of which they use a model, they are not the model's function any more than they are the camera's. Re the second definition, is it useful to replace "artist" with "people who are creating works of art"? Per edit summary, the claim "models are predominantly female" is not supported in the body, and "Models may work professionally or casually" is already covered, better, in the final sentence of the lead.

Paragraph 2 says everything necessary without the unsupported waffle. Likewise paragraph 3 is not improved by the addition of an unsupported shopping list of random films and TV shows.

It makes sense to bring the various types of fashion models together in the same section, and as the History section deals exclusively with fashion modelling it is sensible to bring that in too. To describe Kate Moss as part of the heroin chic trend is factual; to call her the "leader" of the heroin chic "movement" is ridiculous. Dumping an unsourced claim that Claudia Schiffer earned 12 million "despite" said "movement" is bizarre. The caption "The identical Carlson Twins" is informative, "two models, at a photoshoot" is redundant. The unsourced start of the Instagram models section is fleshed out with a source. "Artist's model" is better than "art model", and "fit model" is ambiguous and not common, better replaced with "fitness model" which is clearly distinct from "fitting model"

The chunks of re-ordered paragraphs can be difficult to parse; I suggest opening the two revisions in separate pages and comparing the "Contents" box. One is a jumble, the other is a logical presentation

To be clear the article is still a mess in many ways, and I don't suggest the edits in question were perfect. However the reversion, while assuming good faith, seemed off-handed in manner and mistaken in substance. I hope, should any of these edits be again reverted, they be done individually and with considered explanation. Cheers! Captainllama (talk) 23:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Article unwieldy - proposing split

The article is getting too large, and lop-sided towards fashion model content, swamping the other, shorter, model sections.

I suggest setting up a new sub-article titled Fashion model and shifting all of the fashion model content over to that new article Fashion model, leaving only a brief fashion model summary and link in the Model_(person) article. Thank you in advance. 109.149.111.249 (talk) 13:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)