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Kölsch outside Germany

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to match a similar section in Altbier I have created an Outside Germany section -- the references to other UK and American breweries could be moved into that section to keep in the same format as that other page (since the beers are often paired in the popular imagination) but I was not entirely confident of my wikipedia skills to move something from one section to another, especially when using a slow laptop. --Teledyn (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason to how the section is ordered? It doesn't seem to be alphabetized by either beer or brewery. I wanted to add Lucid Kolsch by Memphis Made Brewing Co., but I wasn't sure where it belonged. CountGrasshopper (talk) 19:29, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This section is rather silly. I can list 100 more American breweries who make a Kölsch-style beer. What's the point? It's not uncommon. Perhaps a better way to approach this topic is to have a short paragraph with examples of notable American Kölsch-style beers, like (1) from very large, well known breweries or (2) ones that have won a number of awards at the Great American Beer Festival or the World Beer Cup ?? DFS (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Waiters' use of local dialect

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I'm a little curious about a statement in the article: "Kölsch waiters (Köbes) in traditional pubs are allowed, and indeed expected, to speak the local dialect..."

Are waiters in other German pubs normally not allowed to speak the local dialect, as this seems to imply? Maitreya (talk) 09:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, but the sentence indicates that they are allowed to use rough language with customers. I changed "allowed" to "encourage," though, to avoid this misunderstanding. Cheers, Mabuse (talk) 20:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted that sentence. There is nobody who "encourages" the waiters to use rough language; who could that be? Sometimes the waiters may use rough language; that is f.e. when drunken guests start to bother other guests. But that is definitely not a Kölsch problem. 22:37, 7 September 2011 (UTC)-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lberges (talk • contribs)

You may not be familiar with this particular tradition. The fact is that a rude attitude is to be expected from the Köbes—indeed, it is part of the experience that they will badmouth you in jest and make disparaging comments about you, so I think this merits inclusion in the article. Prost, Mabuse (talk) 01:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mabuse, I visited Päffgen, Früh, Malzmühle and the Golden Kappes last year. Waiters were friendly; I did not expect them to use rough language and I did not see anybody encouraging them. I found them rather shortspoken, specially when the place is packed. Seems the tradition fades away, or has become a custom for tourists from Japan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.1.99.119 (talk) 07:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not it's true, the fact that opposing points of view are being expressed here indicates that the matter is controversial. The statement should therefore have a reference or be deleted. Lancevortex (talk) 15:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About history: Thirteen is the correct figure (see http://www.german-breweries.com). Bonn is no longer a good example, the brewery closed 2002. And consolidation has stopped, at least in Cologne. --77.1.99.119 (talk) 07:55, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, added the citation tag to the sentence. The German WP entry on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Köbes states that their reputation for "gruff manners" derives from the fact that Köbesse were historically not professional waiters but rather brewers' apprentices bringing the beer into the pub area. Mabuse (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Hoppiness

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Although the Kölsch-Konvention defines Kölsch as a hoppy beer, most commercial Cologne-brewed examples are not particularly hoppy by modern standards. I did not want to add that to the article due to NPOV, though. RobTheBarm (talk) 13:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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