Talk:Green Party (Ireland)

Title of article

In the last few months this article has been moved from Irish Green Party > Green Party/Comhaontas Glas > Green Party (Ireland) > Green Party/Comhaontas Glas and now back to Green Party (Ireland).

I haven't participated in the moving, and I don't strongly object to any of the above titles, but I think it would be helpful for those who are moving the article to leave some comment here as to their rationale. The only comment I would make is that "Green Party/Comhaontas Glas" is the official name of the party. --Ryano 09:35, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipediawide convention for political parties is to always translate names into English, unless they are commonly known to English-speakers only by a non-English name. Bilingual party names are common enough... for example in Canada one can find an organization officially known as the Liberal Party of Canada/Parti libéral du Canada but its listed on the English Wikipedia as simply the Liberal Party of Canada. Likewise, the organization officially called the Labour Party/Páirti an Lucht Oibre, gets filed as just Labour Party. So while Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael do indeed get listed by their Irish names, that makes them an exception rather than the rule. Amongst English speakers in Ireland the party this article refers to is always called--in common usage, anyway-- the Green Party, never Green Party/Comhaontas Glas, despite what the party constitution might say. -The Tom 04:22, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

That makes sense, and by the same token Green Party (Ireland) is preferred to Irish Green Party, which was an earlier title of the page. Hopefully having this section on the talk page will prevent further moves --Ryano 22:01, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

non-environmental issues (such as Northern Ireland)

Do the Green Party have a stance on every non-environmental issue? Would they have a full manisfesto for government, including foreign policy for example, or are they primarily about the environment? I'm specifically asking about Northern Ireland and whether they would aspire to a United Ireland or be officially neutral on that issue? Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs) 11:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I think there is some information on the Green Party of Northern Ireland page... Sjeraj 14:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Full list of policies here --Ryano 17:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Gaelic name

What is the direct back-translation of Comhaontas Glas? "Glas" in Welsh (a related language) is blue, not green. Esquimo 17:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

In Irish glas is green. Comhaontas Glas literally means "Green Alliance", which was a former name of the party. --Ryano 17:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - just checking Esquimo 13:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Green - Fianna Fail Government

The constant reverts to unsourced, biased and inaccurate allegations and comments are unhelpful, untrue and profoundly unproductive.

Examples are:

"Eamon Ryan now oversees the Corrib gas project he once so vehemently opposed (the Green Party made an inquiry into the irregularities surrounding the project a precondition of government at their last annual conference, but quietly changed their stance during post-election negotiations with Fianna Fáil)" - there is no attempt at balance and the tone is clearly biased.

In the words of one speaker at the meeting, "almost nothing is better than nothing at all." - No reference.

Roantreb (talk) 18:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The tone is inappropriate and the lack of references unacceptable, but there should be some coverage of the compromises which the Green Party made in the program for govt, including the Corrib gas field. It is wrong to simply delete any mention of the subject, as various anon IPs have been doing. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added a fact tag to the following sentence: In the words of one speaker at the meeting, "almost nothing is better than nothing at all." Any refs welcome, otherwise the sentence should be removed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. This section troubles me. I have no problems with coverage of the compromises that the Green Party made in negotiations for the programme for govt (and which the tds and senators readily acknowledge), but at the moment the tone is overwhelmingly biased, and the content is willfully selective. Either this section becomes a straight factual section with opinion removed (like the last para of http://www.greenparty.ie/en/about/history), or the negative opinions should be balanced with positive achievements, which may be a pointless exercise.Connond (talk) 21:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I've spent a lot of time cleaning up the last bit of the article as discused a year ago. it was to mark to aniversary of my last cleaning ; ). I've included references for more the timeline of the negotiations, and broken the piece into sections. I've removed the unreferenced parts refered to above and slightly reworded some of the other criticisms by putting them in their own section while breaking up the phrasing which was hard to read. I think I've made a fair and balanced attempt and would appreciate if we could talk about revisions here rather then revert war. B Roantreb (talk) 01:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Green - Irelands's second largest all island party

The introduction of this article states the Green party as the second largest all Ireland party after Sinn Féin. It is an all Ireland party and is smaller than Sinn Féin. The accuracy and partiality of this article is compromised however by the fact that the party is preportionally very small in its entirity to both parties in the Repubic of Ireland such as Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Irish Labour Party, as well as the other main political parties in Northern Ireland, the DUP, UUP, SDLP and Sinn Féin. I suggest removal of any partial claims, clearly made by intersted parties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.6.93 (talk) 19:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sinn Féin is "preportionally very small" compaired to "parties in the Republic of Ireland such as Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Irish Labour Party". It is valid to say that the Greens are the second of two parties holding seats in both Dáil Éireann and Northern Irish Assembly.  Roadnote  ♫  17:37, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

support for fee's

greens support fee's theyll be out with fianna failure —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.252.234.114 (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Withdrawal from Government

Just a heads up, I edited the year in the Withdrawal section from 2010 to 2011, as it was a typo. Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of this matter. Ampersandestet (talk) 05:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

'In Government' section rewrite

Hey, I'm planning on reformatting the 'In government' section. I think every section in it was justifiable at some point, but it's gotten messy and strange now. Having a section for the 2008 budget was relevant in, well, 2008, but I don't see why it deserves a whole section now. Similarly, the resignations section could easily be bundled into the criticisms section. I was thinking a tidier format could be to a) condense the content, and b) to order it like so: 1. A smaller general intro to the govt section. 2. Negotiations 3. Achievements 4. Criticisms 5. Withdrawl. It cuts the number of sections from 7 to 5, preserves most of the main points, and lends in chronological accuracy. This alright with everyone? I'd appreciate any comments, thoughts, or criticisms, since I plan on changing it soon. Mpidge (talk) 06:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Personal carbon trading

Can't find their policy on Personal carbon trading? Do they support it or not, anyone?86.42.194.106 (talk) 08:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Lisbon Treaty referendum - inconsistent reporting

In an early part of the article, we say that a two-thirds majority was reached (citing a Gormley article) while in the Lisbon Treaty section, we say that the majority was only 65% and thus insufficient to be party policy. Which is it? Why? --Red King (talk) 22:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

The 63.5% was for Lisbon I (and thus no policy for-or-against Lisbon in 2007). The 66.6% was for Lisbon II (and thus policy for Lisbon in 2009). --Tóraí (talk) 22:11, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Offices

In the paragraph on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_%28Ireland%29#2011_elections has it happened that "This financial crisis makes it likely that the Greens will be forced to close their Dublin office and make "some if not all" of their staff redundant." or should this statement be removed? Phil Nolte (talk) 12:02, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Images

@Spleodrach: Other articles such as Labour Party (Ireland), Sinn Féin, and Social Democrats (Ireland) have multiple images of the leadership (past and present) of their parties included. I don't see any reason why not to include an image of Eamon Ryan in this article in the leadership subsection. Images of the leadership are also used in articles of non-Irish parties Green Parties such as GroenLinks and Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. Democratic Party (United States) is loaded with images of party members past and present. In general, it's quite the norm for political party articles on Wikipedia to include images of membership and leadership. Given this, I don't think your removal of the image of Eamon Ryan made sense. CeltBrowne (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Huh - strangely, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael don't have images of their respective leaders. I would have assumed a photo of the current leader would be standard. I don't see a problem with including one on this article. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 19:45, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I've added it back in. Spleodrach (talk) 08:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Greens vote to enter government

The Green Party has formally agreed to enter government tomorrow, with 76% of members voting "Yes". Culloty82 (talk) 21:17, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

References

2024 Leadership contest subsection/Recentism/Condense information

When the contest is over, the information about the 2024 Leadership contest needs to be severely condensed, to just a single sentence if possible. Per what's summarised in WP:10YEARTEST, any article about any longstanding political party should cover all their history in equal measure. An entire subsection for the 2024 Leadership contest breaks WP:RECENTISM. 7 years from now, the vast majority of people will not care about every single candidate who was in the running for leadership, particularly as the Greens have to have another leadership contest after the general election. Those that do can find that information in the dedicated 2024 Green Party leadership election (Ireland). CeltBrowne (talk) 14:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)