Talk:Edmund Andros

From 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica

The following is from Project Gutenberg's 1911 EB - http://www.gutenberg.net/dirs/1/3/6/0/13600/13600-h/13600-h.htm - hence it is in the public domain, if anyone can be bothered to merge this in with the exosting page. --Tagishsimon — Preceding undated comment added 19:41, 25 October 2004 (UTC)

ANDROS, SIR EDMUND (1637-1714), English colonial governor in America, was born in London on the 6th of December 1637, son of Amice Andros, an adherent of Charles I., and the royal bailiff of the island of Guernsey. He served for a short time in the army of Prince Henry of Nassau, and in 1660-1662 was gentleman in ordinary to the queen of Bohemia (Elizabeth Stuart, daughter of James I. of England). He then served against the Dutch, and in 1672 was commissioned major in what is said to have been the first English regiment armed with the bayonet. In 1674 he became, by the appointment of the duke of York (later James II.), governor of New York and the Jerseys, though his jurisdiction over the Jerseys was disputed, and until his recall in 1681 to meet an unfounded charge of dishonesty and favouritism in the collection of the revenues, he proved himself to be a capable administrator, whose imperious disposition, however, rendered him somewhat unpopular among the colonists. During a visit to England in 1678 he was knighted. In 1686 he became governor, with Boston as his capital, of the "Dominion of New England," into which Massachusetts (including Maine), Plymouth, Rhode Island, Connecticut and New Hampshire were consolidated, and in 1688 his jurisdiction was extended over New York and the Jerseys. But his vexatious interference with colonial rights and customs aroused the keenest resentment, and on the 18th of April 1689, soon after news of the arrival of William, prince of Orange, in England reached Boston, the colonists deposed and arrested him. In New York his deputy, Francis Nicholson, was soon afterwards deposed by Jacob Leisler (q.v.); and the inter-colonial union was dissolved. Andros was sent to England for trial in 1690, but was immediately released without trial, and from 1692 until 1698 he was governor of Virginia, but was recalled through the agency of Commissary James Blair (q.v.), with whom he quarrelled. In 1693-1694 he was also governor of Maryland. From 1704 to 1706 he was governor of Guernsey. He died in London in February 1714 and was buried at St. Anne's, Soho.

See The Andros Tracts (3 vols., Boston, 1869-1872).

Origin of Family Name?

What is the origin of this interesting Greek-sounding family? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.204.25.156 (talk) 06:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The name is a variant of Andrews, but potentially related to the Greek name Andreas. DCItalk 23:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Extremely biased article

The Andros I learned about in a university history course was actually a great hero for implementing the Covenant Chain treaty, which kept the peace in the Northeastern colonies for 80 years between Europeans and Native Americans. This article fails to even mention this remarkable accomplishment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.136.96 (talk) 4:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Then feel free to find some citations and add it in! Markvs88 (talk) 14:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Deleted section on Christmas

I deleted the section which claimed that Andros revoked the ban by the Massachusetts Colony on Christmas on 1681. The paragraph is factually incorrect. It refers to a blog as reference, which neither cites a source nor appears to be particularly informed about Massachusetts Colonial history. In any event, Andros was not governor of Massachusetts in 1681. He was governor of New York, but was physically in England (as the previous paragraph says), having been recalled. In 1681 the Massachusetts charter had not yet been revoked by the English court and therefore neither Andros nor anyone else could "revoke" legislation in Massachusetts then. In fact Andros did not arrive in the colony until the very end of 1686, and until just before his arrival, the governor, magistrates and deputies under the original charter constituted the government and acted without interference from the Crown or its designee.AnthroMimus (talk) 04:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Opinions of him

According to The Enduring Vision, Fifth Edition, Written by Boyer, Clark, Kett, Salisbury, Sitkoff and Woloch Andros was quoted as telling a group of colonists, outraged by his limiting their towns to a single meeting each year and overriding all their elected legislatures, "you have no more privileges left to you than not be sold for slaves." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.218.83 (talk) 01:18, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

People had varying opinions of him. If you were a New Yorker who didn't have to worry about the Iroquois, and thankful for a new alliance, you'd like him. If you were a Boston Puritan discriminated against by Andros's government, you certainly wouldn't. A diplomat revered for his actions regarding the frontier might be hated for policies he implemented in a simmering city. It all depends on what way you look at him. As to bias once present in the article, I think it's somewhat justified, as a quick search on Andros would probably refer to his overthrow and notorious policies rather than his earlier accomplishments. DCItalk 22:33, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Andros was a racist that supported enslavement and theft of land from natives

Does the fact that he was a blatant racist and supported the enslavement of Africans, African-Americans, and theft of Native American lands not need mentioning in the article? Seems that we ignore the truth in order to justify our own American/European comforts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.35.151 (talk) 13:44, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Do you have sources that say this? Magic♪piano 17:19, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

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Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket

The current wording suggests that Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket were part of New Netherland. They were held throughout the colonial period by the English. In the "Governor of New York" section, I suggest they be dropped from the last sentence of the first paragraph. The first sentence of the second paragraph can be clarified as "In 1664, Charles II granted James all of this territory, as well as Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, the Elizabeth Islands, and all of the land in present-day Maine between the Kennebec and St. Croix Rivers, but with the intervening Dutch retaking of New Netherland, Charles issued a new patent to James." Curmudgeonly Pedant (talk) 18:04, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

Edmund Andros

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Result: Delisted per citation issues, and possible copyright issues. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

GA from 2012. Has been tagged for needing more citations. Also, I'm quite surprised to see barely anything about his govenorship of Maryland. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

A drive-by comment: despite the big banner, I only see two CN tags, one of which is for his date of death, which I imagine is pretty easy to track down. At a very casual glance, I'd suggest the banner might have been put there a little over-eagerly. On the second note, the GA criteria don't require comprehensiveness (though the FA ones do), only that the major aspects of the topic are covered - he was only governor for about eight months, so it might be that there simply isn't much in the sources. My impression is that this one's pretty easy to straighten out, and I could probably take a more proper look at it at some point: is that the extent of your concerns, or were there other issues? In particular, if you think there's more statements needing a citation (because they're likely to be challenged or attributed to specific individuals), it would help if you could stick the inline tag on them.

EDIT: There's a couple more inline CNs than I thought, though I think the general point stands. "Palfrey" (partially cited passim) is almost certainly Palfrey's 1858 History of New England; I can check those sources and add it to the biblio at some point.

UndercoverClassicist (talk) 09:58, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Do you think you could fix the tags and the sourcing, UndercoverClassicist? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:36, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'd be happy to: this next week is pretty busy; I'll do my best to take a look at the 'easy' stuff first, but it might take me a week or so to get into anything that proves more tricky. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 14:12, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I've made some progress here. The "Governor of Virginia" section is basically written from Lustig: if someone can get hold of the full text of that, I suspect the entire section could be cited quite easily. I do have some concerns about this method of writing, where the original editor appears to have largely worked from a single source at a time: a CLOP check might be a good idea. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 13:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Given the new changes to the GA sourcing requirements, I suspect this one is now going to fall short. As detailed above, I'm not happy that the writing methods would meet current GA expectations: at the moment I'd support a delist. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 19:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

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