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June 2024

@Drsruli: why are you removing Palestine and leaving the US? The very poor excuse (that's all it is) that you left in the edit summary doesn't justify either the removal or the edit warring. M.Bitton (talk) 23:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The single sentence of symbolism under USA is valid as literary symbolism. (It's especially significant, as USA did not even produce olives at all, when the allusion was implemented. It is pure symbolism.) It does not affect the balance of the article. The deleted material obviously unbalanced the article, as discussed above. Drsruli (talk) 00:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't imbalance anything and if you think it does, then a trim is better than the obliteration. M.Bitton (talk) 00:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this was discussed and a consensus was arrived. You can discuss it here, if you wish. You don't seem to be addressing the concerns raised in the above discussion. Drsruli (talk) 00:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's pure BS since the content that you reverted has been stable for months. M.Bitton (talk) 00:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't. It's exactly what I said. There was a problem. It wasn't fixed. Drsruli (talk) 00:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You said nothing (about what I suggested) and you fixed nothing. M.Bitton (talk) 00:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The propaganda problem addressed in the earlier discussion was fixed by Cullen's edit on Dec 5. I'm not seeeing any unbalance; it's well known that olives are especially important in the Mediterranean region and Middle East. We're building an encyclopedia, and if there aren't sections on the cultural importance of olives in Albania or Zambia we don't solve that by eliminating sourced content but by adding the missing content. Ewulp (talk) 00:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The information under question is of a different character than what is under the heading of symbolism, as referenced in the rest of the section. The section is actually about literary symbolism, relevant to students, for example.

There COULD be a different section relating to specific customs regarding olives and olive trees in the countries where they are currently produced, and the information would be relevant there. Or, there could be a separate article about such customs, since if it was addressed with similar detail, then the article would be lengthy of itself.

Or, if it is only notable for that region to have such abundance of cultural significance about olives, then it could even merit its own page.

The information under question is not "symbolism" in the sense of the information contained in the the other entries. It is specific cultural significance, and it looks like political propaganda, because it is out of place. @Cullen328 Drsruli (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC) Drsruli (talk) 01:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ancient Rome section has no references to symbolism at all. With the exception of the short United States and United Nations sections, the other sections mix symbolic, cultural, and practical significance, which is what the Palestine section does. Ewulp (talk) 01:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]