Talk:Andy García

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Since Andy was born in Cuba, would it be accurate to say he is Cuban-American?

Miscellaneous

I deleted the irrelevant praise of Garcia and the script plug. Grumpy otter 14:03, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

biography-early life

I cannot find any reliable sources that corroborate that Garcia was born with a conjoined twin. All the internet talk seems to be a repeat of the exact same claim. The footnote for this citation links to nothing. I suggest removing it. Grumpy otter 14:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

It is in the Guiness book of world records. Also it was read directly from the book on the Howard Stern Show 11/12/1999 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.180.124.235 (talk) 05:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

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I removed the footnote after the 1st sentence, because it proved noting about the sentence, other than the fact that he was born. In retrospect, I should have put a cit needed there. The Bejucal, Cuba, page that links here, claims he was born there, not Havana. Login54321 (talk) 00:23, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

intro

"During his last year in high school, however, he became seriously ill, which convinced him to pursue a career in acting." What does one thing got to do with the another??

This article now states: "During his last year in high school, he became ill with mononucleosis,[5] which convinced him to pursue a career in acting." Now that we know it was mono, it's so much more obvious why he chose to become an actor. As usual, Wiki is more humorous than informative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 07:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Surely the comment above is worthy of attention. The paragraph sets the tone for the whole article and as presented is nonsensical. SBader (talk) 06:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

heritage statement should be removed

The following sentence needs to be removed, as most people are proud of their heritage:

Garcia has said that he is proud of his Cuban heritage

I think it is not irrelevant. The circumstances of the Cuban expatriates are such that in this context the sentence is meaningful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.156.8 (talk) 19:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Did he have a conjoined twin?

There's a rumor that he had a conjoined twin. True? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.211.189.160 (talk) 02:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes it says so in the guiness world book of records(most famous conjoined twin). Or was that al pacino?

Yes it was attached to his shoulder. It was even featured on "Family Guy", it's disappointing it is not on Wiki as it is notable. It's probably the one thing most people know about Garcia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.129.44.41 (talk) 00:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Family ties to...

Sean Taylor? Yep. That's right.

His niece was the girlfriend of the late Redskins safety. Just saw it on ESPN, if anyone cares.

George Lopez role

Only his character's first name is in the list of TV roles. He was Ray Palmero, the brother of George's wife Angie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.231.241.108 (talk) 02:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Republican

In the article there is no mention of García being a Republican, but in the categories section he is listed as a California Republican and as a Florida Republican. Can someone verify this? --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 09:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

• I removed the two categories since it's not even spoken of in the article and therefore does not have a source. --SquishyVic^talk 08:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

After some research i've found the only link from García to politics to be a donation to Democrat Nick Clooney. Any source for ties to the reds at all? --84.61.76.229 (talk) 22:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

You'd think he'd be a Marlins fan...

Relevance of ethnicity

Given that it is in the lede of every biography referenced, it seems that Andy Garcia's ethnicity appears to be "relevant to the subject's notability", hence subject to inclusion per MOSBIO. ^Bongo_matic 07:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

What "biography referenced" do you mean? And why does it matter? Wikipedia has its own standards. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 09:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes--our standards are based on what third party sources say. Inference is permissible. MOSBIO is a guideline that specifically says that it should be applied with common sense. Common sense dictates that if other biographies (in particular, those referenced in the article. The thebiographychannel.co.uk makes reference to his "Cuban exile" status in the lede. The Merc mentions "Cuban-born" in the lede of an article on his son's birth. The Yahoo! movies entry refers to his Cuban heritage (and its significance to him) in the lede. These may not all be "reliable sources", but their projection on what is useful or relevant to readers shouldn't be ignored. The article has had some mention of his origins in the lede for donkey's years, so it reflects a level of consensus that either (a) MOS was correctly applied to have it in; or (b) that for common sense application, it should be included despite the MOS. If you wish to generate a new consensus, then get it here on this talk page.

Beyond the specific policy, guideline, or logical reasons why I feel that the change is not warranted, on a process basis, I think All Hallow's Wraith would be well-advised to follow WP:BRD. ^Bongo_matic 13:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia's standards aren't based on what third-party sources say - Wikipedia's information is based on what they say. Wiki's standards and manuals of style and so on are based on what multiple editors agree on - no Wikipedia policy or style guide is written by external sources. It doesn't really matter how other sources organize their biographies because they don't follow MOSBIO and they don't have the same organizational style as Wiki's in general - the Yahoo and biographychannel bios you mentioned don't look anything like a Wikipedia entry, so what does it matter what they include and where? (And why would it matter even if their bios did look like Wikipedia's?) "Cuban-American" hasn't been in the lede for "donkey's years". It wasn't there in October 2009, August 2009 or March 2009. Anyway, all of that is irrelevant. The only thing relevant is whether adding his ethnicity into the intro fits the MOSBIO standards - i.e. is it relevant to why he is notable? I would say it's not. Garcia himself may also think so, considering the following newspaper article from 1990:

Garcia Disdains 'Hispanic' Label; December 11, 1990|From Times Wire Services

NEW YORK — Compliment him on his hairy chest. Compliment him on his natty wardrobe. But don't call "Godfather III" star Andy Garcia a "Hispanic heartthrob." "There's nothing that I cherish more than my culture and what I am," Garcia says in January's Glamour. "But to call me the great Hispanic actor is ridiculous; it's racism. They don't call Dustin Hoffman the great Jewish-American actor." All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 05:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be worth soliciting the views of other editors. ^Bongo_matic 08:11, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Personal life

What kind of info is the Garcia's ownership of caravan and old Peugeot? Who cares about it? And the Porsche is not so important. You can see this model on each corner in LA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.206.137 (talk) 05:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

yeah, kind of silly....66.87.7.55 (talk) 22:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually for Wiki, this is pretty sound information - now what brand of toothpaste does he use? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 07:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

He was once rude to John Mulaney at a Lakers game. This is important and should be added. Fix53john (talk) 18:47, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

​You'd need a reliable source to support the assertion, and some sort of rationale for why this is sufficiently noteworthy to include in the article. GirthSummit _(blether) 18:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Musician

Andy is listed as a musician here, but there's no furter information on it, while, apparently, he's been quite deserving as one. See this interview on the Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson (March 7th 2007): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMTEAxR16Ws . KryzMasta (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

In addition, Andy produced several albums for Cachao (a cuban-born musician and composer) and played percussion on them. For example, see Master Sessions Vol.1 and this video clip. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.64.101.217 (talk) 16:17, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Black Rain?

maybe i'm biased but i thought this movie deserved some mention aside just the listing....it was my favorite movie of his along with The Untouchables...thanks for considering...66.87.7.55 (talk) 22:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Of course, this is Wiki - your personal opinion is clearly vital information for the rest of the world to know about. Go ahead edit away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 07:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

What's wrong with Garcia?

He used to be a bad but still quite a "top" actor. Now, with 5 days of war and appearance in some Turkish TV-series he really turned into a miserable bottom feeder. Has he quarreled with some big Hollywood bonzas? Does anyone know? Nomad (talk) 10:42, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

"For Greater Glory" movie opening June 1, 2012

Andy Garcia has a passion for this movie and plays the staring role. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 22:43, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

For your consideration, here are some articles: [1], [2], [3]. Some like "For Greater Glory" because it in not your usual Hollywood liberal slant, they say. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

illnesses and acting

During his last year in high school, he became ill with mononucleosis,[6] which convinced him to pursue a career in acting.

I'm sorry but what is the connection between these two again? Becoming ill and deciding to pursue acting? Might want to spell it out, if it's known. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.88.181 (talk) 09:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Good point. Years later, still nothing. Might be time to remove the non sequitur. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 15:17, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Republican

The article stated he was a Republican before my recent edit. I edited that statement so it reflected the fact that this year he was named one of the "Top 50 Most Influential Latino Republicans." My edit was reverted on the grounds as "self-sourced addition and unexplained removal of sourced material." See compared revisions below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andy_Garc%C3%ADa&type=revision&diff=721848030&oldid=721806601

I reverted this back to my edit because (a) the recognition reinforces the point made in the original edit (that Garcia is Republican), (b) the original source is a dead link, (c) I did not remove the substance of the original statement, I only underscored it with a recognition and a valid citation that goes to a live link. If the previous edit wasn't supported by a functional link then it needed to be replaced regardless.--Polisci101 (talk) 20:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

First, WP:BRD does not say that after you are reverted, you discuss and you keep reverting. You must stop reverting, discuss, and obtain a consensus for your change. Second, dead links can be tagged as dead links without taking out the material. They don't have to be replaced by something that says something else. Finally, and most important, the source you cite is from the group that labeled Garcia influential. You need a secondary source (from some other publication) to make this "honor" noteworthy. As it stands, it doesn't belong in the article. I'm not going to edit-war with you about it, but if you want to get along at Wikipedia, you should back out your change while this discussion continues, hopefully with other editors offering their views.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Bbb23, I appreciate your feedback and all your efforts on Wikipedia. I'll leave this up to you and any other editors that feel more strongly about this. I'll just leave my perspective on the edit here:

The original line simply stated that Garcia is a Republican, full stop. I edited that sentence, by adding the "50 Most Influential..." recognition, which I felt reinforced the point about his presence on that side of the political aisle. I then added the citation for that recognition without removing the original citation. It was simply a reconstruction of the sentence, reinforced by an additional citation (rather than a replacement). Ultimately, when that was reverted, I realized the original citation was a bad link anyway. Even then, the Hollywood Congress of Republicans is just an organization, not a news source (for the sake of fairness, I poked around the organization's website and found one reference to Andy Garcia there: http://hollywoodrepublicans.com/hollywood-right-and-wrong/).

Newsmax is a well-known source of conservative perspectives and news. On Wikipedia itself you can find the following description: "Nielsen Online said Newsmax was the most trafficked conservative website with approximately 4 million unique visitors monthly. A 2010 study released by Nielsen reported that Newsmax.com was the number one site for conservatives in the U.S., making it one of the most influential conservative news sites in the nation. Alexa Internet statistics for Newsmax.com indicate that the readership consists mainly of Internet users over the age of 45, which aligns itself to the average age of Republican leaning voters, as gathered by The Pew Research Center."

I won't argue the merits of the reconstruction of the sentence that I made; it's not legitimizing or delegitimizing the view imparted by Newsmax, it's simply presenting the additional information that that's what Newsmax (as a "conservative news site") thinks of Garcia, underscoring his partisanship.

I personally don't see the "Hollywood Congress of Republicans" as a more legitimate citation/source than Newsmax. I don't see the change I made in the sentence as a dislodging of the original one. The noteworthiness of the recognition is owed to Newsmax being "the number one site for conservatives in the U.S." (according to Nielsen). If there's a consensus among other editors that the simple statement that Garcia is a Republican, supported by an organizational page on Hollywood Congress' website, is more befitting of a Wikipedia article, then that's fine. I'm not here to engage in pitchfork editing and, eventually, the edit will be made by someone else.--Polisci101 (talk) 22:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the thoughtful comments, Polisci101. I'm not going to express my opinion right now because I'm in a foul mood having nothing to do with the Garcia article or with you. Better that I regain some persepective before I comment. Meanwhile, your edit can remain unless someone else objects.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

No worries, Bbb23. I completely understand having days like that. I know whatever edits are made to the page will be for the best. Thanks for all your attention to detail. --Polisci101 (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Although it is true that Garcia is a Republican who supported Mitt Romney in 2012, [breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2014/04/07/bh-intervew-andy-garcia/ this interview] makes it clear that he is very low key about his politics and is not a political activist. So, I think that we need to be careful to avoid devoting undue weight to his party affiliation. He is an actor not an activist. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Anyone know what "million-dollar perfume company" is intended to mean?

Enterprise value? Annual revenue? Annual earnings? "million-dollar perfume company" with no clarification isn't meaningless, but so vague that it means something like (presumably) 'successful' or 'prosperous'. As it stands, it needs editing, but to what? Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 14:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Cuban-American

Since Andy was born in Cuba, would it be accurate to say that he is Cuban-American? Beatlemania2002 (talk) 23:57, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

See WP:ETHNICITY. Per sources on his page, he has lived in the U.S since he was a child, has U.S citizenship and is most notable as an actor in the United States. It also appears that Cuban laws regarding dual citizenship were only changed recently (?).

Cuban-American should not be used because it is an ambiguous term that often means an American of Cuban descent (see Cuban American). There has been past discussion on this. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 06:12, 22 April 2023 (UTC)