Talk:Namekian

Eating

I don't remember ever seeing Piccolo eating. When everyone was training on King Kai's planet for the battle with Frieza, Piccolo just drank water.

But why do they grow cabbage like things on the planet namek? Are they food? Tristanb 05:50 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)

According to the manga, those are Ajissas (not sure about the spelling), and they grow it because their planet was beautiful and was covered with those before the cataclysm that almost made them extinct.

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Nameks can eat (Piccolo is seen eating when they train for the 3 years before the first androids arrive, the fish...), but Dende says that Namekians only need (not to be confused with "can only drink") water during the Frieza saga.

Agent Smith 06:34 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Wasn't that filler?Onikage725 17:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

cool, i wonder if their skin is able photosynthesise. Tristanb 00:31 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

That would be logical, seeing as they also say that their planet "has three suns" (??) and that they "never need to sleep"

Wait a minute, if the average Namekian living on Namek survives with having the abundant energy provided by three suns, and Earth only has one sun, then shouldn't Piccolo be constantely parched for energy, seeing as how he's only getting one third of the energy he would get in his naturel environment.

Maybe he adapted, since Kami has been living on Earth for quite some time, and Piccolo Ma Junior was born on Earth to begin with.

Has anyone noticed that in the Manga (and in the case of Piccolo) that he has three fingers on each hand and then in the Anime he has the regular four? Louisisthebest_007 11:35, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I do remember back in Dragon Ball, that when Piccolo takes over the king's castle; his henchman Piano tells the chefs to cook food for Piccolo. He names lots of odd things; I do not recall them all but it is a diet similar to that of Two-Face's "evil" side in Batman Forever (like warthog heart or so). It should be kept in mind, that he was still part of the "Family of Evil" during that incident; so it could be considered that Piccolo got used to eating as it is something common on Earth, still does not need of any aliment to survive but water.

That's filler. He never eats in the manga. Beowulph 02:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps he eats earlier in the series because the concept of water-only as food hadn't been created yet.

I'm pretty sure they eat the Ajissa plants. Thats why they sent the one namek to earth in Dragonball. They plants were dying, but soon after sending him, they started to grow again, and eventually they just forgot about him. I'm pretty sure that's how it goes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.209.189 (talk) 09:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Ball creation

i don't agree with the part that says guru was probably not the original creator of the dragonballs on namek. whoever created them would have to still be alive otherwise the dragonballs would have turned to stone. since no one besides guru and kami have demonstrated the ability to make dragonballs, guru is the most likely person to have made them.

Dende states that anyone in the "Dragon Clan" can make dragonballs. (In fact, you forget that Dende created the balls used in the latter half of DBZ.) Whether Guru was the original creator or not is just fan speculation though. My guess is just that if there *had* been dragonballs after all of the Nameks died, they could have been broughgt back to life. Since they were not brought back to life, maybe the creator of the balls died with them. All conjecture. JRP 19:53, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Saichourou created the Namek Dragon Balls; when Freeza arrives at Saichourou's house, Nail tells him this. Beowulph 01:02, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

No females -- only one type

According to one episode of Dragon Ball Z, Dende mentions that baby Nameks come from eggs, but also says that there are no females on their planet, much to Bulma's disappointment. In other anime series, the PlayStation 2 video game Destroy All Humans!, and most American animated television series, every alien species that I have seen has alien females. -- User:Angie Y.

That's what it means when it says on the page that they're asexual. I believe that Toriyama once said the race was actually modeled after slugs. --InShaneee 02:44, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Also, so what if every other alien race in pop culture has females. I give props to the creater of Dragon Ball Z for being original and thinking of something new. Just because every other alien race has females doesn't mean the Nameks have to too.

If it is so "creative" to say that an alien-race has no females? I don't think so. Maybe Toriyama simply was too lazy to draw them...

Your statement makes no sence. Why would female Nameks be any harder to draw than male Nameks. Just give Piccolo some boobs, long eyelashes, and a dress and voila, you have a female Namek. Also, your sentence has realy bad grammar. I think you were trying to say, 'Is it so creative...', not 'if it is so creative...'. I sugest you stop watching Dragonball Z and start paying attention in English class.

...the Hell? Onikage725 19:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

They have no males either, being asexual hermaphrodites. Calling a Namek "he" is just for convenience. Noneofyourbusiness 21:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Minor quibble- Namekians are asexual, but not hermaphrodites. They reproduce by 'laying' (for lack of a better term) eggs that do not need to be fertilized by another Namekian. Hermaphrodites, however, have both male and female reproductive organs, and generally cannot self-fertilize. Since Namekian eggs are spit out of the mouth, it is likely that they have no mammalian-style genitalia at all.

Son Goharotto 16:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Fighter Nameks

The part about Neil being the only fighter-type Namek is wrong. What about the three that attacked Freeza's goons early on, with the power levels of 3,000? That's stronger than the average fighter, and even Saiya-jin (would have owned Raditz in a fight, Nappa and Vegeta were better but they were Super-Elite). Also before Neil confronted Freeza, a few more of his friends (who looked pretty much like the first three) attacked. Doesn't that mean there were at least 7 left alive in the warrior caste?Onikage725 17:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

When Saiyans arrive, they state that namekian's have extraordinary fighting abilities (making it quite understandable how Raditz was beaten), though still considerably beneath their own. When Kuririn first meets Nail he states that Nail's power is well beyond that of the other nameks; this is further confirmed by Freeza's power level reading for Nail at 42,000. Nail's vast superiority over the other nameks, and his station of gaurding Saichourou pretty much confirms his statement of being the only fighting namek. Beowulph 17:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Considerably beneath the two of them doesn't mean much. They were the ultimate examples of their race at the time. Yes, Neil is exceptionally strong, but he wasn't the "only" fighter. We see plenty of Namekians- Vegeta wipes out a whole village of them with little resistence. Clearly the average Namekian isn't a fighter. We specifically see 6 (in two groups of 3) who challenge Freeza and/or his underlings. They were nowhere near as powerful as Neil, but they were warriors nonetheless. They also utterly trashed Freeza's regular fighters. If every average Namekian was as capable as them, they wouldn't have been pushed around so easily. Correct me if I'm wrong, but judging from Nappa's PL, wouldn't that mean that a PL of 3,000 is on the low end or just under what Saiya-jin would at the time call "elite?"Onikage725 17:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

We never learn what Nappa's PL is. And their being able to fight off Freeza's minions means little, even Kuririn could defeat them easily. Simply because they can fight doesn't make them a specific fighter-type; even Dende, a healer-type had the ability to fly and a detectable ki level as a young child. Both Kuririn and later Freeza state that Nail is different then the other nameks. Finally Nail even states himself that he's the only fighter-type namek on the planet. Beowulph 00:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Kuririn could beat them? Maybe you forgot that Kuririn IS a fighter himself? He trained for years under Earth's greatest martial arts master and later under it's God, who was himself Namekian. Also, by the time Neil said that, he WAS the only canon fighter left. The first 3 fighters were dead, and the second group was filler, an anime-only fight. So that's just another filler-created plot hole. By the time they actually meet Neil, the last of the canonical Namek fighters had died in battle with Dodoria. Therefore your statement does not contradict mine. I reference the other 3 (who were basically lazy clones of the first three thrown in to extend the time Freeza spent with Neil) since they were of the same pattern. Also, they don't state Nappa's PL in the manga or show, but the Daizenshuu does list him as 4,000. I don't believe it specified if this was before or after he powered up to fight Goku (I think it was just a picture with a number), so he could arguably be stronger.Onikage725 17:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I just re-read the section in the manga. When Freeza confronts Saichourou for instructions on using the Dragon Balls, he threatens to use Nail's suffering to make him talk. Saichourou responds with "Nail is not as weak as you think. He is the only Namek born as a fighter". Beowulph 00:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

All that explains is why he was so much more power than the others. Being a natural born fighter doesn't mean he's the only fighter. I mean none of the humans were born with their abilities, unlike Namekians in general, yet Neil would've been hard pressed to defeat any one of them after the Freeza Saga (well, except for Chaozu). Obviously Kuririn and the others would be considered human fighters. Likewise, wouldn't Namekians who honed their talents towards combat and who challenged intruders (in much the same way the Z Senshi confronted the Saiya-jin) and who's level of power could rival and exceed that of the average Saiya-jin (a race who's ONLY caste is that of the warrior) also count as fighters? Sure, Neil was a natural with talents far above the norm for his race in general. However, if you think about it, any half-breed Saiya-jin has potential that exceeds a full blooded warrior. But Gohan having been "born" with more potential than his father doesn't make Goku any less of a warrior. Wouldnt a "fighter" essentially be "one who fights?" We see these other Namekians fight to protect their weaker brethern. Explain to me how they are not fighters? What else are they, good samaritans? What does that make the young and healthy-looking Namekians in the village Vegeta attacks? They offer little more than verbal protest. So what, they're just cowards? No, they weren't warriors, and the three who stood against Dodoria were. I also hold to my earlier statement- declaring him the lone Namekian fighter to Freeza is at least open to interpretation, and doesn't by itself run contradictory to my statement, because by then he was the only one. The first 3 were already dead (as were any other potential fighters that may or may not have been on the planet before Freeza and co. began their murder spree), and the three we see after aren't canon.Onikage725 17:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Nameks have specific castes they are born into which determine their skills and attributes. When Piccolo is healed by Dende and asks if he also has the ability to heal others, Dende states that Piccolo cannot as he is a "fighter type". The earlier three nameks are exactly as you state, ordinary nameks who fought. Vegeta's attack on the namek village (including any resistance) is also never shown, just him arriving and then the village decimated. Beowulph 04:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

The problem I have with that is if those three were simply 3 "ordinary" Namek citizens, then by the time our heroes arrived Freeza's forces would have consisted of himself, Zarbon, and Dodoria. His regular soldiers were so weak they had to use amplifiers to fire off a decent ki blast, and those three wasted them with absolutely no effort at all. The Namekians favor peace, but once Freeza started slaughtering whole villages and pilfering Dragon Balls, I think more than 3 would have stood up. I doubt they would have just laid back and died. Also you'll recall that when the three arrived, they were scouted. When they tripled their reading, Freeza and co. were taken off guard, surprised to meet fighters of that caliber and who could manipulate their readings. These were the first of their type that Freeza had encountered. Also, one person does not = a caste. When Saichorou referenced Neil, he must have meant that he was the only current fighter. Neil alone in all the history of the Namek race isn't sufficient to declare an entire caste of fighter-types. So the question becomes did Saichorou mean Neil was the only fighter type currently, or in that generation. If it was currently, then my statement stands- the other three were dead, the following three weren't canon, Neil was the only one left. It could be that he meant that generation, but there isn't anything in the sparse lines on the matter that Toriyama provided to substantiate that.Onikage725 17:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Saichourou didn't say only one left, he specifically said only one born a fighter. Even Moori (the village elder) was capable of firing off ki beams, that doesn't make him a fighter. When Vegeta arrives at the Namek village he later eradicates, the Nameks are going about day-to-day business such as farming and building houses, indicating they were unaware of the ongoing massacre. It's pretty likely those three that fought Freeza were simply from that village, especially since Moori recognizes them and they call him "sir".

Putting in more then one namek as a fighter-type would directly violate Saichourou's words. It's much more likely that the other villages they went to earlier simply didn't have any fit nameks, with some training at least, to oppose them. Kuririn and Yamcha are regualar, not fighter-type humans, but that doesn't mean that they can't fight; the same likely goes with nameks. Beowulph 15:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Then I offer that the "caste" distinction is misleading. "There is only one Namek born a fighter" and "Nameks have a fighter caste" are contradictory statements. One guy doesn't constitute an entire social order.Onikage725 17:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The original namekian Piccolo and Kami were was also born a fighter-type. Since the planet Namek only has about 100 inhabitants when Freeza and co. show up, it's not a very good sampling of the population; for all we know 1% might be high or low. Nameks are also peaceful by nature, so Saichourou might have seen little need to spawn more then one dedicated fighter.

Ultimately it's all speculation. Caste seems to fit as it's often taken to mean something one is born into and can't change. If you would like a different word (perhaps breed) that can be changed. Beowulph 18:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't adress what I said before. If every normal Namek is capable of that, then why did Freeza and co react with surprise when meeting the three in question? And if he and his two cohorts were content to sit back and chuckle while the lesser minions were slaughtered, how is it he had any forces left (considrering that they were so pathetically slaughtered by a mere 3 Namekians)? That's the part that doesn't sit right with me. Onikage725 18:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

We don't know how the earlier balls were aquirred. Maybe Dodoria or Zarbon, or even Freeza himself went to collect them and did all the fighting (which would have been almost effortless for them, they might not have even noticed 3k vs 1k). We also don't know if every namek is capable of that, those three could potentially have been amongst the most powerful normal nameks. Being a peaceful race, it's not out of the realm of possibility that those three were the first to even fight back.

And re-reading your statements: yes, it's likely that Nail was the only one of that generation (spawned since their apocolypse), not the only fighter-type to ever exist (as Piccolo-Kami was also a fighter-type). Beowulph 18:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

One other thing, as I recall Dende owed his special skills to thge fact that he was a Dragon type. Now, you're claiming Piccolo to be a fighter, but he was a Dragon himself (obviously, as he created Dragon Balls). You can also tell in his original appearance. Piccolo Daimaou spawned Piccolo Ma Junior as a fighter type because his sole purpose in life was to crush Goku/conquer the world. Onikage725 19:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

It was Dragon Clan, not Dragon-Type, but that does seem quite possible. Kami created the Dragon Balls, yet Piccolo could not, even after absorbing Kami. Though Kami never showed the ability to heal others, Dende only gained after having his potential unlocked by Saichourou. You also have a point as adult Piccolo did not look very much like young Daimaou and exactly like Nail.

I suppose a section should be made that highlights the different breeds/castes and the possibilities. Beowulph 20:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say but Beowulph is very much off the mark. Volume 7 of the Daizenshuu (the Japanese DBZ bible for all intents and purposes) has a complete master character list of nearly every single character in the entire manga and anime series. And in said character list, both the three Nameks who fought with Freeza's men and Dodoria, and the three who were slaughtered by Freeza himself are ALL listed as "Warrior Type" or "Soldier Type" Namekians. Here is the entries as translated by a reliable student of the Japanese language:

Namek sei-jin no Waka Mono "Young Namekians"- Three young Soldier Type Namekians who try to defend Muri's village. They each have a power of 3,000 and are, unforunately, all killed very quickly, (and violently), by Dodoria.

Senshi Taipu no Namek sei-jin "Warrior Type Namekian" - Three soldier Nameks who show up and try to defeat Freeza at the Saichourou's hut, and end up dying violently. Fuad Ramses 19:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

In Dragon Ball canon the Daizenshuu are considerably lower then the manga, and Saichourou, in the manga, says that Nail was the only fighter-type. The second batch of three nameks never existed in the manga either. Now, we can generally use the Daizenshuu so long as there is no direct contradiction so how about we make a section for castes and specificy that Nail and Piccolo are the only fighter-types, and that the daizenshuu lists two additional castes (Soldier's and Warrior's). Beowulph 20:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that's the nail on the head right there. Neil and Piccolo Ma Junior may be the only naturally born Fighter-types of this generation, one created out of need for a guardian and one created to conquer and destroy, however there are others who clearly took up the call and practiced the art of combat. I think there's a difference between (to use your suggested word Beowulph) "breed" and "caste." Saichorou says the same thing in the Japanese version of the anime to Freeza, and I'd always taken it as him indicating Neil's natural strengths. The problem I think is that the statement is just one sentenced and could be interpreted a few ways. How literal was Saichorou being? In what context did he mean "only" and in what timeframe? Was he simply trying to bluff Freeza and shake his confidence? None of these were addressed and probably didn't seem all that important as Toriyama was scripting the encounter. For comparison's sake, someone could say something like "Son Goku was a natural-born fighter" based on how he was one step ahead of almost everyone, increasing his powers and achieving breakthroughs at an unprecedented rate. But that statement wouldn't necesarily mean that a lesser Saiya-jin wasn't a fighter. Now I realize Namekians breed selectively. so the comparison isn't 100% fair and the whole thing is a bit of a catch 22. So I think the safest thing is a distinction between breed and caste. For example the Dragon Clan would probably be a caste- a social order of Namekian leaders and mystics. Within that clan we may have select few of the healer breed. Likewise we may have only a select few of the fighter breed, but young Nameks of the basic agriculturally-minded variety may choose to learn to harness their power for defense of villages in the same way humans might join a militia or military. Sorry for the lengthy responses btw...clearly I've thought entirely too much on such a small matter :p Oh, and I wouldn't say the books are considerably lower. I mean they're ranked close under the anime which is second to the manga. Since they're informational sources on the anime mostly, they contain filler material, and coupled with some minor arguable points here and there they basically get a rank 3 on the list, but that doesn't make them unreliable. ~Onikage725~

Reading the article over, I think that looks good :) Onikage725 15:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Beowulph 16:37, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I wish I could say I've forgotten, but I don't even remember reading or hearing about the Dragon Clan. I see you guys talking about it, so I assume it's just a brainfart on my part. Could you mention where it's talked about in the manga or what episodes? Voice of Treason 12:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Images

I added a couple of Images to the section. This is a long section, and the images are definitly needed for visualization. Pretend for a second you've never seen a Namek before, and you read that article. You'll see what I mean. KojiDude (talk) 06:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed pic for now. Doesn't show up on the page and its fair use authorization is incorrect.

It shows up on the page, and the fair use is correct. The www.myfavoritegames.com images are all released for fair public use by the webmaster. KojiDude (talk) 06:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Those pics aren't their legal copyright; they just show them as a gallery. They are property of Akira Toriyama, Toei Animation, and Funimation Entertainment. Year and reason for fair use also need to be given. Voice of Treason 06:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict, I am good at this) KojiDude, the license is indeed wrong. The page disclaimer states Dragon Ball Z® and related names, characters and images are ©2000, Bird Studio/Shueisha, Toei Animation. Licensed by FUNimation Productions, Ltd. All Rights Reserved. Thus it can't belong to the GFDL which is being claimed by the image. It should be tagged as {{PUIdisputed}}. -- ReyBrujo 06:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Since your summary talked only about the citations, I thought you may have deleted the image without knowing. -- ReyBrujo 06:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I just forgot to add that in before I clicked and talked about it here. Voice of Treason 06:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Then how come when I uploaded images from there before with the fair use license, nobody said anything, and when I e mailed the webmaster they told me I could use the Images anywhere I wanted? Did I dream that or something? KojiDude (talk) 06:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Then someone should check all your uploaded images to see if they are correctly tagged. To explain: suppose you buy a DVD, and make a screenshot. You are the creator of the screenshot, but the screenshot is copyrighted by either the author of the movie, the studio, the producer or the publisher. You can't release it with a free license because it is your creation; the image has an "inherited" license. The same goes with a book: you can't photocopy a page of a book and then release it for everyone to do whatever they want (including adding it to their own books) because the page is copyrighted for being part of a copyrighted item (in this case, a book). I hope this makes it clear. -- ReyBrujo 06:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Just to explain a bit better, you should use the {{tv-screenshot}} template when uploading those images, not the GFDL one. That is the correct fair use license, you are uploading them with a free license. -- ReyBrujo 06:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:CIV, please, no one's starting a fight. Tell me where those pics are and I'll tag them too, this is just the first that I've noticed. MFG webmaster has no say over these pics' copyright at all, they only took screen captures of animation produced and belonging to those companies. I can't cap a shot of Slayers on my PC right now and give you free reign to do what you want with it on Wikipedia. I created the pic, but the anime and characters belong to someone else. Personal use may be a different matter, and that's what the webmaster might have been talking about. Hopefully, anyway. Voice of Treason 06:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Then ReyBrujo said almost the same thing. We're both good at this. Voice of Treason 06:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I understand now. So if I change the copyright on the Nameks image to TV Screenshot, It can be used on the article, right? KojiDude (talk) 06:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

So long as you add copy-info and why you've justified it as fair use for an article at Wikipedia, there shouldn't be a problem. :) Voice of Treason 06:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Nameless?

Wasent the Namek that made Kami and Picollo named Kamicollo? Goku called him that once(I think) when met him after Picollo fused with Kami. --Solid Fox 23:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The fusion didn't actually create a new being, it was still Piccolo's body. He just had Kami's extra power and intellect. 'Kamicollo' was just a name used for humorous effect. Piccolo does say at one point " I am neither Kami nor Piccolo. I am simply 'The Namek'.", or something like that. Maybe somone with acess to the episodes after Piccolo and Kami fuse could clear it up a bit.--KojiDude ^{(Contributions)} 00:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The original Namek's name has been forgotten. "Kami" is a title the good half embraced, and "Piccolo" is the name the evil one chose, adding the moniker of "Daimaou." Daimaou died and was reincarnated in Piccolo Ma Junior. Howver this Piccolo was a new Namek, born of an egg and possessed of a soul (and thus the capacity for good). That Piccolo is the primary component of the fusion. He's not quite the original being, as the new Piccolo was born with a warrior's body. He also has Nail inside of him still. Kamicollo was something Goku threw out there to be clever, and Piccolo ends up deciding that while he's changed, "Piccolo" will suffice as a name. 170.163.100.203

Evil Sensing Sources

Just siting sources for the evil sensing ability of the Namekians, list yours here if you can site a specific episode or movie and maybe when the Namekian said it or what time during the video.

Episodes

• 62: I've never felt a power like this one, but it's dark. - Piccolo 15:20

Movies

• —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lucasthalefty (talk • contribs) 22:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

Evil sensing is incorrect, as many fighters in DBZ would comment on an "evil" presence approaching. One example is the first time the Gohan and Krillin sense Frieza.