Talk:76th Regiment of Foot

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This is all very good, and informative about this regiment. but whathas it got to do with Wellington? He's not mentioned once.

The 76th amalgamated with the 33rd to form the Duke of Wellington's Regiment, so it's all interconnected really. SoLando 20:04, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

What about the 76th Regiment of Foot that was raised in 1777 and disbanded in 1784. Doesn't it belong in this article? BradMajors (talk) 23:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Regiment this article refers to is the 76th Regiment of Foot that was raised by the East India Company for service in India, as an Indian regiment with both British and Indian serving officers. There had been more than one Regiment with that number prior to the regiment you refer to, which was the 'MacDonald's Highlanders', also known as 'The Old Seventy-Sixth Highland Regiment. It comprised of 7 Companies of Scots Highlanders and Lowlanders with an additional Company of Irish. There had been some considerable renumbering of regiments during the mid 1700 as the 2nd battalions of regiments raised in 1756 were converted into regiments in their own right. The 1st Bn 61st foot was renumbered as the 76th Foot and the 2nd Bn 61st Foot, became the 84th Foot. Several regiments were also disbanded and re-raised over time, such as the 33rd Regiment of Foot, disbanded in 1714 at the end of the War of the Spanish Succession and then almost immediately re-raised in 1715, for the war of the Austrian succession, those retained their original colours and distinctions. However in this case the two Regiments were entirely different entities and shared no Colours or Battle Honours. You can find more information on the 'MacDonald's Highlanders' here:- Electric Scotland Ltd. Richard Harvey (talk) 02:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. New article created for 76th Regiment of Foot (Macdonald's Highlanders). BradMajors (talk) 19:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Following discussions with the editor of another history book on the Duke of Wellington's Regiment I have now merged both of the 76th Regiment articles and added extra details regarding the two other creations of the 76th regiment, which were raised and disbanded or renumbered. I will add in some images of the 76th from my personal collections shortly. Richard Harvey (talk) 08:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've undone this merge - I don't think it's helpful. The earlier creations of the 76th shared a number with the "last" 76th, but they weren't in any sense the same regiment, and it just confuses matters to list them on this page. Shimgray | talk | 12:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have redone the merge as the details are correct and stated in the History of the Duke of Wellington's Regiment, 1702-1992, by JM Brereton and Major ACS Savoury. ISBN: 059521552

Well, that's the thing. The details of each regiment are indeed correct. But does that history actually state they're the same, explicitly, and that the "third" 76th carried the lineage of the earlier regiments, or is it just a general history of previous units? The Army "family tree" for the regiment only dates the 76th back to 1787; likewise, so does the regimental museum. The regimental history of the 76th is (sub)titled Historical record of the 76th "Hindoostan" Regiment: from its formation in 1787 to 30th June, 1881. I'm not aware of any of the other three East India Company raised regiments (74th-77th) taking the lineage of the earlier numbered regiments; is there a particular reason given in this case? Shimgray | talk | 19:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The lineage is stated in 'The Duke of Wellington's Regiment (West Riding) A Short History, by Major ACS Savoury MBE and Major General DE Isles CB OBE DL, (Page 4, Lineage of the Duke of Wellington's Regiment (West Riding)), printed by Reuben Holroyd's, Halifax, in 1987, which I have now added as a reference to the main article. Unfortunately past writers have not been too interested in the actions of the 76th prior to them becoming the 2nd Battalion of the Duke of Wellington's Regiment in 1881, Which many mistakenly took to be the formation date of the Dukes. As for the link you gave to the website, as the Regimental Museum, that link is actually to an out of date website created a few years ago, which is not under the control of the regiment. Unfortunately, due to health problems with the editor/website owner it has not been updated for quite some time. I wrote most of the pages for it, when it was originally setup and supplied the images and illustrations, but I am no longer involved with it and the new editor is somewhat limited in computer knowledge. There has been a lot of work done recently through the regimental HQ, to check through the regimental histories and a new updated history book is currently under print and should be ready for distribution by the end of the month. On this page on the website [1] you will see where I have added some notes to various sections of text and if you look at the bottom image on this linked page [2] you will see a fairly bare Archives dept, taken just after I had designed, built and installed the woodwork myself. Its possible that the website may be updated at some point in the future, after the new & updated history book has been printed. Richard Harvey (talk) 20:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I'll try and track down a copy of Savoury and see what the note says. I'm very surprised if it did perpetuate the previous 76th's, as this would have been pretty much unique at that point - and contradicts most other sources! - but the Army does indeed have a way of being administratively confusing... Shimgray | talk | 20:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

administratively confusing! Thats the politest way of saying it I've ever heard. Another clue to the lineage is shown in the regiments nickname of 'Old Seventy-Sixth', which became 'Old Seven and Sixpennies' plus the adoption of two Scottish Marches:- Quick: Scotland the Brave - Slow: Logie o'Buchan, whci have been carried through, by the Dukes, to the Yorkshire Regiment. Richard Harvey (talk) 21:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link

During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!

http://www.calderdale.gov.uk/tourism/museums/wellington.html
- In Duke of Wellington's Regiment on 2011-03-17 17:16:15, 404 Not Found
- In 76th Regiment of Foot on 2011-06-19 21:05:54, 404 Not Found

--JeffGBot (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Website changes have moved the page, I have corrected the link on both articles to:-

http://www.calderdale.gov.uk/leisure/museums-galleries/duke-wellington/index.html

-- Richard Harvey (talk) 08:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]